This week, we speak with David R. Kotok, who is co-founder, chairman and chief investment officer of Cumberland Advisors, which has $4 billion in assets under management. Kotok is also a director at the nonprofit Global Interdependence Center, which promotes free trade and international dialogue, and has authored or co-authored four books, including “From Bear to Bull with ETFs” and “Adventures in Muniland: A Guide to Municipal Bond Investing in the Post-Crisis Era.”

We discuss his recent research is on the economic consequences of pandemic shocks; he looks at antiquity, Middle Ages, and the 20th century forward, and discovered some surprising similar economic sequences. The challenge was finding economic data, much of which was buried in economic books, but needed to be correlated with pandemic health documentation. He did that via historical economic data from Sidney Homer’s History of Interest RatesAllan H. Meltzer’s A History of the Federal Reserve, Volume 1: 1913-1951and Milton Friedman’s A Monetary History of the United States, 1867-1960.

The parallels are many: After an initial shock, labor supply falls (due to death and disability), which sends wages higher. Reallocation leads to a productivity gain; Interest rates end up falling, and transitory inflationary hits. We still have yet to fully comprehend how much the pandemic has changed society and the economy.

The risk going forward is virus mutations developing, primarily in unvaccinated hosts. He also explains how Long Covid is going to impact financial markets.

A list of his favorite books is here; A transcript of our conversation is available here Monday.

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Be sure to check out our Masters in Business next week with Michelle Seitz, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Russell Investmentsthe 6th largest manager in the world. The firm manages over $331. billion in assets and advises on another $2.8 trillion.

David Kotok Favorite Books

History of the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides

Written on Water: Characters and Mysteries from Maine’s Back of Beyond by Randy Spencer

The Man In Milan by Vito Racanelli

David Kotok’s Authored Books

From Bear to Bull with ETFs by David Kotok and Talley Leger

Lessons from Thucydides by David Kotok

Adventures in Muniland: A Guide to Municipal Bond Investing in the Post-Crisis Era by Michael Comes, David Kotok, and John Mousseau

Invest in Europe Now!: Why Europe’s Markets Will Outperform the US in the Coming Years by David Kotok and Vincenzo Sciarretta